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    Q for Technical Support: Digital backup before updating DE?

    The recent newsletter notifies us about several rather interesting updates on the horizon, and advises us to make paper copies of certain types of pages we may want to retain access to after updating. I am wondering if I copy my current DE files to a different folder on my computer, if I will be able to access them after I update? For example, I am interested in updating my yr 2 DE to gain access to some of the new R lit titles -- but I also want to use some of the resources I already own that won't be included in the upcoming update. Can I simply copy the pertinent files out of their current location in Program Files>>Tapestry of Grace to somewhere else (still on the same pc with my LL license) and still be able to open them with my LL permissions? Then I could toggle back and forth between my current DE version for the titles and weeks I want to continue to use, and also access a few of the newer titles and discussion guides, too. But I certainly want to know if this is both allowed and feasible before running an update!!!

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    Monica
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    Hello Monica!

    That is a very good question, and one that I had not thought of. As far as I know, what you suggest about moving those files to a different location should work. Access to the older pages through LockLizard is still permitted after updates come out (as long as you had access to them in the first place of course), and the DE installers only overwrite files in the original installation location. So, short answer, yes!
    Alex Holt
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    Thanks, Alex. BTW, this wasn't my idea -- it was something I remembered as a recommendation from back before you all developed the oh-so-appreciated Book Updates chart with archived pages. I just wanted to be sure that LL wouldn't explode or something!

    Thanks,
    Monica
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    Monica,

    Please note that though this CAN work, we would caution you and all others reading this thread that saving files from DE to another folder will NOT include the Interface. There are literally hundreds of files, and someone who doesn't understand what they are doing may become frustrated with this solution. We are not set up to support this action. Unless you are willing to take on the responsibility for finding older files that you move, please: we at Lampstand Press need to attach a "KIDS: DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME" warning!
    Blessings,
    Marcia

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    I have what I think is a related question (though I'm not entirely sure since I'm still trying to process the information that's been made available to us). As one of the leaders of a virtual co-op that has struggled through a few difficult phases, trying to get all of us on the same page, I am especially interested in ironing out as many wrinkles as possible before we start the planning/advertising stage for our next year in Y4. Right now, most of our families are print families, several of whom don't really have any desire to move to DE. And that's fine - we all know that part of the beauty of TOG is being reminded often to "make it work for your family." They like their print copies, don't like the DE, and want to continue to use TOG Redesigned as it was when they first purchased it. What concerns me a bit as I think about where MY family will fit in this is: as someone who DOES like the DE + print option, I have upgraded each of my year plans to DE, which means that I no longer have access to my Loom disc from those year plans, or any of the other discs for that matter - I upgraded across the board. So if my particular co-op decides to stick with the Rhetoric plans for a particular year as they were when first released in print, am I understanding things correctly that I would not be able to participate easily with them?

    Put another way, it seems that co-ops have a decision to make if they're going to be able to continue to operate smoothly together - either they will have to limit their group to print-only families, or they'll have to require all members to purchase DE. I know that the latter approach is what you all recommend anyway, but I'm just trying to think it through for my particular group, which has been together in one form or another for the last 6 1/2 years. I suppose another option would be to try to meld things together, knowing that there will be headaches and difficulties if groups decide to go that route. Or perhaps groups could "lighten up" a bit when it comes to concerns about all students having the same assignment and all moms teaching from the same Teacher's Notes. We've found though, that at the Rhetoric level especially, that is not as easy to do as it may sound.

    As someone who surrendered my loom discs without fully understanding all of the future ramifications of doing that (I admit it), it never occurred to me to save those Poetics files, for instance, to another spot on my hard drive. Not to mention that I've been through three computers since my beginning days with Tapestry and I'm not sure I'd even be able to access said files even if I had a mind to. I hope I don't sound whiny because that would not at all be the way I'd like to come across. I am honestly just needing to think out loud when it comes to the decisions that lie ahead for my co-op. It sounds like we have some tough calls to make - either we tell our long-time members who are solidly in the print-only category that we're moving on, with or without them, or we resign ourselves to not being able to open up to new families and not being able to access all of the improvements and updates that are freely available to the DE families, several of whom are also long-time members (my family included!). If there is another way of looking at this, I'd love to have it pointed out to me. I love my co-op, but I believe it's possible that I love my TOG even more and want to be able to use it well all the way through my 3 yo's school career. I suppose it would be completely unrealistic to expect that things would stay the same for 20 years, and I wouldn't even want them to. I like change! But change is hard sometimes, especially when it involves other people. In fact, one of the hardest things for me as a co-op leader has been coming to realize that we cannot satisfy everyone who has an interest in participating with us and we sometimes have to turn people away because they don't want to do things the way we do them.

    I really appreciate the heads-up and know that you all have continued to put your blood, sweat, and tears (and prayer!) into each revision and improvement of Tapestry over these many years. Our family has benefitted tremendously from this rich curriculum, and I have loved it in all its forms and iterations. But we have also benefitted from our involvement with our TOG virtual co-op (and some LLC classes as well), so I guess I'm just trying to figure out how that part of our homeschool will look in the future - hopefully still benefitting my children in numerous ways that doing TOG in isolation can't possibly do. I will continue to pray for you all as you serve the homeschool community, as we have done from our first exposure to you wonderful people!
    Marcie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcia View Post
    Monica,

    Please note that though this CAN work, we would caution you and all others reading this thread that saving files from DE to another folder will NOT include the Interface. There are literally hundreds of files, and someone who doesn't understand what they are doing may become frustrated with this solution. We are not set up to support this action. Unless you are willing to take on the responsibility for finding older files that you move, please: we at Lampstand Press need to attach a "KIDS: DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME" warning!
    Great reminder! I didn't mean to open a can of worms for customer service. Back when I did this sort of work-around before the days of the archived pages, it was easy to get lost and frustrated -- and I knew where I had filed everything! I'm comfortable with my system, but I would not/could not/should not entice anyone to follow suite unless they are very, very aware of how it might impact them if it didn't work out for them. Trailblazing is one thing -- dealing with the repercussions of getting lost is another.

    Monica
    "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Jeremiah 29:11

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    Marcie,

    I can relate to your concerns about using Tapestry with a co-op once our 2nd and 3rd printings come out this spring and summer. The best solution (as you have already stated in your above post) is to have all of your members purchase the DE version or they have the option of upgrading their current print copy to DE. With this option, moms can keep their current print copy and would have the DE update as well. This would allow them to print out only the pages that they need for their students a week at a time. The beauty of this is that you print “only” the pages you need from Teacher's Notes, etc. If you have one student you don’t really need all of the other learning levels in a bulky binder to haul around.

    Changes that will make the biggest impact will be the new editions of Poetics and Frameworks. These will not to be included on the Loom beginning March 1, 2013. This will be an entirely different product. The new version of Poetics includes what the older year-plans labeled as Poetics, Frameworks, and Rhetoric Literature Reading Assignments. The new version only works with the 2013 or later editions of the year-plans. In saying this, you can deduce that the older versions of Poetics, Frameworks, etc. and the newer version of Poetics are not going to be the same product. They will not work together easily. We are very excited about this new product and think it will be very beneficial to our users. In addition, Poetics has been added into Year 1, which was never implemented before. We can understand that some folks really like their print and some folks really like DE, but you have to make a decision as a co-op for it to make less stress for all involved. We have carefully thought this over and we think the best solution is to have the most up-to-date DE version. Everyone has less confusion and can enjoy the benefits of a Tapestry co-op as it was meant to be… a fun, engaging, learning experience with others that have the same academic goals for their children.

    Also, upgrading a current year-plan to DE is the most cost effective way to go. As I explained before, moms can print off any portion of DE that they wish. This gives moms the ability to print a week, a unit, etc. at time for themselves. The next best option would be for them to purchase a new year-plan in print if they wish to have it all at once. We can understand that this is the most expensive option and most moms will not want to repurchase.

    I hope I have helped shed some light onto the subject of upgrading and the new year-plans. In co-ops one thing we all must learn to do is compromise at one time or other. It is not always the way we choose it to be, but the biggest goal is our kids education and how they benefit in the long run, not necessarily what makes us most comfortable. First and foremost pray before you make any decision. Ask God to give you all like minds and like hearts and that you can come to a good conclusion. God can do what we can’t, bring everyone together in His love.
    God Bless,
    Sharon Land
    Curriculum Specialist
    Lampstand Press, Ltd.
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